“I never questioned my faith in God; I questioned God’s plan,” Rick Warren last night on CNN.
In case you somehow missed it, Rick and Kay Warren were on camera last night in a very candid interview with Piers Morgan on CNN, their first public interview since the suicide death of their 27-year-old son, Matthew, who had struggled his whole life with mental illness.
It was the first time I can remember watching Christians on television who made me proud to be one. This wasn’t Pastor Rick getting a chance to preach on national television, this was Kay and Rick being … well … Kay and Rick. We were basically invited into their lives to feel their pain and in the process, we got their faith. We shared the strength and the weakness, the vulnerability and the courage, the inability to do anything but hope. This was not just a single event; this was a 27-year struggle.
We saw their oneness as a couple and how close they had become through this tragedy.
They held hands; they wiped each other’s tears away.
My favorite part was when Kay talked about her boxes. She brought out her HOPE box and lovingly took out some of the verses inside that had sustained her through so much of their son’s life. And then she told us about her other box … the box in which she put all the questions she had no answers for. Two boxes … two conflicting realities at the same time. One box didn’t cancel the other. They were simply both there.
I’m writing about this not to single them out or put them on a pedestal, but to point out that they were just so darn real, and to show that this is the same way God will use you and me.
The point of 2 Corinthians 4:7 (the treasure in jars of clay) and the verses following is that Christ’s power is made more obvious through those human experiences that make us most vulnerable. You can fake being a Christian when things are going relatively well, but you can’t fake power in the midst of real adversity — strength in the midst of real grief.
We can all gain more courage from this to be who we are — to not try to be what a Christian is supposed to be, but to simply be real and know that the power of God will show up. The surprising lack of all the right Christian things to say in this interview was what allowed real faith and the real presence of God through the Holy Spirit to surface.
There’s no way you could walk away from that hour and not know what the gospel was, and even what is more important, without knowing what the gospel does for someone. It was just nothing but the real deal — raw emotion and real faith — and look what it took to get there.













